No fighting rabbits? Meh!
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Iām in the minority of Knizia fans where I am okay with miniatures in a Knizia game lol. But the criticism of reduced clarity due to minis blocking your view is valid and I do agree with that
Note: This is Yellow & Yangtze with the unreleased expansion that Grail Games was planning to release back in the day
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I think thatās a good price (not looked at postage though) for an excellent game. If I didnāt own it already Iād be in on this one.
Why standees and not wooden meeples? Standard version has a ā90s Hasbroā look to it 
Edit: just noticed the wooden leader tiles are an optional add on (but no wooden temples?). Interesting model
Iām sad that I somehow missed the BGG Contest for Huang; would have been cool to get the new edition with the expansion that Y&Y will never seeā¦ but Iām good just sitting on my Mayfair edition of T&E and my Holy Grail Y&Y (neither of which have been played).
Maybe itās just the renders, but the colors in the pictures on the Gamefound page are unsettlingly garish.
Also, I canāt figure out is if itās a ālinen-finishā mounted boardā¦ or if the board is cloth?
That edge looks both thick and straight enough to be a conventional cardstock board.
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Yeah, but everything else pictured is obviously a 3d renderā¦ and seemingly without any attempt to show what, for instance, the miniatures will actually look like and instead showing the hi-res 3d render. If you were to take a similarly low-effort approach to rendering a central map, you might end up with a straight-sided rectangular prism even if it were made of cloth. I mean, the map shown also does not appear to have any folds, which certainly it would need for it to fit in the box-size shown.
It all seems very lazy.
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Iām just left wondering if those rivers are actually that wiggly, or itās a clumsy attempt to get them to fill out the hexes.
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yay 
i have hopes that mine will arrive eventuallyā¦
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I am about to bring the package to the packstation. I am actually coming out 10ā¬ more than I payed but then I also built an insert for this.
As the game is going to be available again āshortlyā I assumed I had to sell now as I do not really want to have 2 copies of it. But I am having a bit of a difficult moment with it because while I payed the recent shipping+tax from the campaign the other day, I later saw that there is some controversy about the amount the shipping costs especially for the smaller ordersā¦ I just saw that most of it was taxes and for the fully blinged copy with the plastic chips and insert I kind of expected to pay that much. Still on the āhighā side but apprently they are charging almost the same for sending out just 2 decks of cards and that is shit.
After the recent on-goings with Rallyman Dirt, Subterra and what I read in the Fantasia games update about their take over of the original pledges of a game called āSweet Messā (they are fulfilling what the previous rights-holder failed to do apparently, the story sounded positive but still an example of a mess)ā¦ I have been evaluating ALL my open pledges for āriskāā¦
- There is 1 I have given up on but it was a cheap indie gameā¦ ā¦
- Another I had almost given up on is sending updates that they are about to deliver but they also recently had a rather āhighā shipment payment (that I payed)āfirst timers, took forever, really curious how the game will be
- the biggest āopenā is Unsettled currently, this was an expansion campaign in which I backed the base game as well. A recent update suggests middle of the year for deliveryā¦ letās see. Expansion campaigns seem a little safer ā¦ but both Rallyman Dirt and SubTerra show working from existing stuff is no guarantee the campaign ends in success.
The rest: most are from āreputableā publishers that I doubt will āgo underā and yetā¦
So far I have not been burned. All the campaigns I backed have delivered. That I am sometimes disappointed in the games is a completely different story. Iāve been careful with bigger pledges so far and I think I will be even more careful in the future.
Have any of you checked out gamefoundās stable pledge? What do you think about that?
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Postage has increased massively, but no campaign wants to admit to it. Iād be wary of companies just under charging postage and collapsing.
Iāve had a right todo over Damask getting stuck in the Funagain closing mess, still not over, but most American orders are done at least. Postage was around $1000 more than anticipated for a relatively small number of orders, and they owe me around $6000 for retail orders. Iāve been in contact with another company who are working with them, but everythingās just so slow and Iām helpless this side of the pond.
Re: SubTerra interestingly enough I think Iām one of the few people to get paid by ITB, and all it took was years of me badgering him. My co-designer on Newspeak asked about lawyering up the other day, but thereās no money there now. Absolutely fascinating visiting their offices from a āhow can they afford all thisā perspective. Abysmally run company, how these Kickstarters that get funded with enough contingency to whether every storm lose it all baffles me.
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Ha. I overlooked an update that came today! Wow. This might end up delivering after all. Wellā¦ if it doesā¦ Iād be happy for everyone involved.
Even I am noticing it when selling stuff just a single package that used to be 5 is now 6.5 euros. Personally, for big pledges I will be okay to pay a bit more. Smaller onesā¦ less so. If they are up-front about it sometimes I just wonāt back if shipping seems insane (f.e. I waited until Distilled made it to German crowdfunding where shipping was non-existent because that works like a normal shop locally). But I am also doing my best to figure out which things are smarter to buy at retail now.
As for Sub Terraā¦ the German edition is published bei Schwerkraft. I may end up buying it if they do the 2nd Version. I did not buy it now on retail. It felt wrong somehow. But others didnāt think so: the one shop, that I checked and which had it, sold outā¦
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In case youāre wondering, you can add to the list of āthings not to doā:
- Send out an email with the phone number to the fulfillment partnerās office without specific contact information and no email address provided
- Donāt notify the fulfillment partner of your plan to send their phone number to thousands of people
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Was just coming in to mention this. My god what a wreck. On a selfish note, itās at least some indication I might recover my pledge.
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And also, try to get them to ship something you no longer legally possess it seems
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Thanks ā itās remarkable/confusing how they donāt mention that title in their campaign. I presume that is On Purpose and For Reasons, and itās not like itās impossible to find out; but stillā¦
Iāve sadly never played Y&Y or T&E, and BGG calls Y&Y a reimplementation of T&E, but I have vague recollections of the two being notably different in some ways such that some prefer one or the other for non-thematic reasons. I guess I have some research to do.
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'Cos I is a sucker innit?
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Two new solo Button Shy wallet games by Steven Aramini, co-designer of Sprawlopolis.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/239309591/river-wild-and-ancient-realm
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Big differences that I recall:
Squares vs. hexes. Squares mean that calamities (also entirely removing a space from the game in T&E vs. being temporary in Y&Y) are much more significant. Adjacency only being orthogonal vs. 6-way adjacency has a lot of other effects too.
Wars being between competing colours vs. wars only being between red sides.
Wars eliminating the losing side vs. only red being depleted.
Wars being between the involved players vs. third parties being able to chip in.
Monuments reducing your defence by making the spaces they cover uncolored (risk/reward) vs. not doing so.
Monuments being permanent vs. movable.
There were more, but basically nearly every change in Y&Y sounded like a step back or sideways to me.
In general, I think T&E is spikier, with more interesting decisions, while Y&Y plays more like a points/set collection game and is āfriendlierā.
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