# Boxes full of air and other tragedies **URL:** \ **Category:** Boardgames\ **Created:** [23 April 2021 10:43 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633 "2021-04-23T10:43:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pillbox](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/pillbox/32/1031_2.png) [@pillbox](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/pillbox)\ **Post date:** [23 April 2021 15:05 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/21 "2021-04-23T15:05:16Z")
In general, I’m less disappointed by overly-large boxes (well, probably because I live in a place with big, cheap houses) than I am overly-expensive decks of cards. Sell me a $30 expansion that turns out to be a deck of 25 cards… well, I’ll be pretty grumpy about it (did I mention that I didn’t pledge for the Lords of Vegas Underworld expansion?) ---
**Author:** ![lalunaverde](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/lalunaverde/32/28591_2.png) [@lalunaverde](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/lalunaverde)\ **Post date:** [23 April 2021 15:30 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/22 "2021-04-23T15:30:16Z")
> [@RogerBW](#): > > Even the hypothetical customer who buys a €40 game in a big box is surely going to get it home, open it, and wonder “why was that box so big for just two decks of cards?”. Aren’t they? Im sure they’ll ask that. But as one sales person in our company said: they made a sale and that’s customer service’s responsibility now. ---
**Author:** ![GeeBizzle](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/geebizzle/32/20606_2.png) [@GeeBizzle](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/GeeBizzle)\ **Post date:** [23 April 2021 15:34 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/23 "2021-04-23T15:34:44Z")
I remember seeing on Etsy cloth Azul player boards which could make Azul the size of hive or another more transportable game. ---
**Author:** ![COMaestro](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/comaestro/32/1030_2.png) [@COMaestro](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/COMaestro)\ **Post date:** [23 April 2021 15:38 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/24 "2021-04-23T15:38:02Z")
Actually, I like the two slots in the Arboretum box. Since I mostly play two player, I only use a subset of the trees. So one side holds what we play with regularly, the other side holds the other tree species if we ever play with more people. Makes breaking it out quicker as I don’t need to sort anything for a two player game. Totally agree with Splendor. I have a small drawstring bag that fits everything easily. My kids destroyed the manual anyway, and tore up the box a bit. ---
**Author:** ![raged\_norm](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/raged_norm/32/21570_2.png) [@raged\_norm](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/raged_norm)\ **Post date:** [23 April 2021 15:55 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/25 "2021-04-23T15:55:05Z")
I nabbed the PnP for that, so when I get round to it. Print cut sleeve with some playing cards. Done. ---
**Author:** ![SteveB\_uk](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/steveb_uk/32/26030_2.png) [@SteveB\_uk](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/SteveB_uk)\ **Post date:** [23 April 2021 17:57 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/26 "2021-04-23T17:57:11Z")
> [@lalunaverde](#): > > I dont blame him. Ask any retail worker on their opinion of people as consumers. It’s this, which I was going to post in the “What are you watching” thread. (Retail worker at IKEA finally tells customers what he really thinks) : [![](https://discussion.tekeli.li/uploads/default/original/3X/6/a/6ac738f6324c180d75eeae970168102154bc988d.jpeg "Scott Seiss Retail TikTok Compilation FULL") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7KBcsdPhxA) Agree with Roger, anyone opening a big box to find a small pack of cards in the center of packaging is going to feel short-changed. ---
**Author:** ![Number1TheLarch](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/number1thelarch/32/9094_2.png) [@Number1TheLarch](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/Number1TheLarch)\ **Post date:** [24 April 2021 12:55 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/27 "2021-04-24T12:55:55Z")
Matagot’s strategy games ( **Cyclades, Inis, Kemet** ) are mystifyingly large. My copy of Cyclades (and two expansions) fits into the Titans expansion box. I ended up not buying **The King is Dead** 2nd edition because of the size of the box compared to the 1st edition (as well as the worse board-art and theme). I bought **War of Whispers** 2nd edition instead, which turns out to also be full of air (albeit not quite as bad). But the biggest irritation for me is **Lords of Vegas** which comes in a big box. It’s a board, one pack of 52 cards, a small wad of paper money, and a handful of dice. Not only is the box enormous for that, but it comes with an insert designed for a _different game_. You can fit an entire set of poker chips in with the game. ---
**Author:** ![GeeBizzle](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/geebizzle/32/20606_2.png) [@GeeBizzle](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/GeeBizzle)\ **Post date:** [24 April 2021 13:20 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/28 "2021-04-24T13:20:47Z")
Having ordered the chips and upgraded insert from the lords of Vegas Kickstarter I’m hoping that this problem is solved. ---
**Author:** ![COMaestro](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/comaestro/32/1030_2.png) [@COMaestro](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/COMaestro)\ **Post date:** [24 April 2021 14:29 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/29 "2021-04-24T14:29:30Z")
You’re lucky. My copy of Lords of Vegas did not have an insert. I should really try to make my own sometime. ---
**Author:** ![GabrielH](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/gabrielh/32/1118_2.png) [@GabrielH](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/GabrielH)\ **Post date:** [28 April 2021 06:33 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/30 "2021-04-28T06:33:14Z")
![IMG_20210428_000735998](https://discussion.tekeli.li/uploads/default/original/2X/1/1fefdc94bbef32d877a5b150e1b55fb7d5adac32.jpeg) The latest addition to my hoard; **Galaxy Trucker: Missions**. I knew it was a small expansion, but man that’s a lot of box. Of course I’ll just be dumping the stuff into the Box That Ate Everything anyway, but it still feels _less_ satisfying to feel that very light little box. ---
**Author:** ![Whistle\_Pig](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/whistle_pig/32/1052_2.png) [@Whistle\_Pig](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/Whistle_Pig)\ **Post date:** [11 May 2021 11:47 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/31 "2021-05-11T11:47:39Z")
![IMG-20210511-WA0000](https://discussion.tekeli.li/uploads/default/original/2X/0/0eb467769d851a633f537bcf0264fd0089ed3ba4.jpeg) ☹ ---
**Author:** ![lalunaverde](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/lalunaverde/32/28591_2.png) [@lalunaverde](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/lalunaverde)\ **Post date:** [11 May 2021 11:58 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/32 "2021-05-11T11:58:27Z")
Sorry, I laughed It’s absurdly tiny and cute but ill fit for its purpose! ---
**Author:** ![Phil](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/phil/32/1508_2.png) [@Phil](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/Phil)\ **Post date:** [11 May 2021 12:43 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/33 "2021-05-11T12:43:05Z")
I guess that’s the Dexterity Game expansion for Railway Ink. You only get to use the dice which you manage to throw into the cup. ---
**Author:** ![KIR2](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/kir2/32/1391_2.png) [@KIR2](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/KIR2)\ **Post date:** [11 May 2021 12:44 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/34 "2021-05-11T12:44:18Z")
Did they confuse imperial with metric? 😂 ---
**Author:** ![pillbox](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/pillbox/32/1031_2.png) [@pillbox](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/pillbox)\ **Post date:** [11 May 2021 13:17 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/35 "2021-05-11T13:17:47Z")
I think the best explanation possible is that they planned a larger version but prices changed and they thought they could get away with a “slightly smaller” size. But how did they green light these after receiving production samples? It’s just… unbelievable. ---
**Author:** ![tomm\_archer](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/tomm_archer/32/1153_2.png) [@tomm\_archer](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/tomm_archer)\ **Post date:** [11 May 2021 13:23 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/36 "2021-05-11T13:23:12Z")
I thought it was more, they planned for bigger ones, ended up with smaller ones and thought they’d try and claim their backers wanted dice trays that would fit in the box? 😉 This made me laugh: [[Album] Railroad Ink dice tray fix ![](https://discussion.tekeli.li/uploads/default/original/2X/2/2ff939ba731b663d07ab80e2d4c2b6e916f9c00f.jpeg "Railroad Ink dice tray fix") ](https://imgur.com/gallery/IJuGxPW) ---
**Author:** ![RogerBW](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/rogerbw/32/3_2.png) [@RogerBW](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/RogerBW)\ **Post date:** [11 May 2021 13:26 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/37 "2021-05-11T13:26:27Z")
Certainly I was thinking of something more like: ![IMG_20210511_142237](https://discussion.tekeli.li/uploads/default/original/2X/9/9c8ecc5b1eabb41fadc6b0d81a8ad05a8cf39b19.jpeg) but to be honest even those are a bit small for use as dice trays, which is why I didn’t go for them in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Whistle\_Pig](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/whistle_pig/32/1052_2.png) [@Whistle\_Pig](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/Whistle_Pig)\ **Post date:** [11 May 2021 16:04 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/38 "2021-05-11T16:04:26Z")
I do possess an excellent folding dice tray (which I bought after backing this Kickstarter) so I’ll probably use these as bit trays. I am a bit put out though! ---
**Author:** ![Chewy77](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/chewy77/32/1035_2.png) [@Chewy77](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/Chewy77)\ **Post date:** [11 May 2021 21:48 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/39 "2021-05-11T21:48:15Z")
How tall is it? It looks like on a big table you would not be able to see the dice from a distance ---
**Author:** ![Phil](https://discussion.tekeli.li/user_avatar/discussion.tekeli.li/phil/32/1508_2.png) [@Phil](https://discussion.tekeli.li/u/Phil)\ **Post date:** [12 May 2021 11:21 UTC](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633/40 "2021-05-12T11:21:06Z")
FWIW I got myself one of these and find it good. > **[Dice Case & Tray](https://geekon.us/dice-case-tray/)** > > Price: USD 19.99 I see they also sell a ridiculously large “XL” version. [Previous page](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633.md?page=1) [Next page](https://discussion.tekeli.li/t/boxes-full-of-air-and-other-tragedies/2633.md?page=3)